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A Response to the Friendly Atheist (Part 1)

August 4, 2013 by Robin Schumacher

It’s rare for me to get worked up anymore over statements that atheists make about Christianity. For many years now, I’ve debated and exchanged dialogs—both in person and over the Web—Hemant Mehtawith many atheists and hatetheists (there is a difference) and have gotten pretty used to the primary arguments of the former group and the flawed caricatures / misrepresentations of the latter, so I am usually not bothered by what either has to say about the Christian faith.

Then I read the July 30 CNN opinion article by Hemant Mehta, “The Friendly Atheist,”  which is entitled “Why are millennials leaving church? Try atheism.”

Maybe it was seeing so many of the tired, false assertions in one place. Maybe it was some of the poor logic and argumentation the author employed. Whatever it was, I actually got peeved.

Mr. Mehta, likely responding to another CNN Belief Blog piece on why millennials are supposedly leaving the church, declares that atheism is playing a big role in their rumored exodus from Christianity. Let’s take a look at some of his major assertions and arguments and see if there’s support for what he claims.

The Anti-Everything Church

First up is Mr. Mehta’s endorsement of the contention that the Christian church is “anti-gay, anti-women, anti-science, anti-sex-education, and anti-doubt.” In today’s culture, to be anti-anything is bad so we see Mehta employ the typical paint-your-opponent-against-something-rather-than-for-something technique right out of the chute. But that aside, the question is, are the claims true? Let’s look at just a couple of them.

Anti-doubt? If by this he means the Church at large discourages asking hard questions about God, he couldn’t be more wrong. The entire discipline of apologetics is specifically designed for tackling difficult issues and questions about the existence of God. Christian websites such as gotquestions see over 3 million unique visitors a month[1], with special sister sites having been set up by the gotquestions team just for answering the questions children and teens have about Christianity. If millennials want to have their doubts and questions about God answered, they have many places to turn.

Anti-science? Later in the article, Mehta says, “For instance, there’s been talk of finding a better way to reconcile science and religion. Whenever that battle takes place, religion loses. . . . Mixing science and religion requires a distortion of one or the other.”

Honestly, I could write thirty pages alone on the flawed logic of his last statement, but in short, good science and good religion walk hand in hand just fine. Further, if anything, science is bolstering the arguments for God, not eliminating them.

There is evidence showing that our universe most certainly had a beginning and is not eternal[2]. The proof of intelligence and specified complexity running through life itself[3], and the fine tuning of our cosmos[4] all make for excellent scientific data points favoring a Creator.[5]

Moreover, the legion of brilliant scientists who are Christians that exist today as well as those in the past demonstrate the false dichotomy that Mr. Mehta offers millennials.

Anti-women? Evidently Mr. Mehta is unaware of how Christianity elevated womanhood in the first century.[6] He also must not know that the Bible specifically states that men and women are equal in their nature (Gen. 1:27), from a life/value perspective (e.g. Ex. 21:15, 17, 28), redemptive status (Gal. 3:28), and in their abilities (Prov. 31:10-31; 1 Cor. 12:1-10). Contrast that with other faiths such as Islam.

If Mehta is referring to the normal critique of a woman submitting to a man, then he’s incorrect on at least two fronts. First, the biblical passage usually referenced is speaking about men/women in marriage only. Second, that submission goes both ways – a fact conveniently omitted by Christian opponents who never read the beginning of the famous :submission section” in Ephesians, which starts with Paul saying: “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (Eph. 5:21, my emphasis). Only after that does Paul go on in detail, telling both men and women how to submit to each other (with the man getting most of the lecture).

“Look at Us”

For the majority of the article, Mr. Mehta takes a shotgun argument approach to touting atheism by citing a number of assorted statistics and making various claims that are intended to show atheism’s momentum. In truth, however, most fail to impress.

A case in point is his benevolence example:  “The Internet-based Foundation Beyond Belief, which encourages atheists to donate to charitable organizations, just celebrated raising $1 million for worthwhile causes. (Disclosure: I serve on its board of directors).”

I, for one, am glad that this organization has been formed and money is being raised to assist those in need. I’d also like to welcome them to something that the Christian church has been doing for 2,000+ years. If millennials want to see charity in action, they need look no further than Christianity.

While Mehta’s 1,452 members (as of the time of this writing) have raised $1 million, such a figure is dwarfed by the hundreds of centuries of Christian missions, orphanages, relief organizations, hospitals, food pantries, and similar entities. Would Mr. Mehta like to pull out a calculator and tally up the money raised down through history by Christians for those in need vs. pure atheistic organizations? I doubt it as the embarrassment would likely be too great for him to bear.

He also says, “And last year, an estimated 20,000 atheists turned out for the Reason Rally in Washington, a tenfold increase from the previous atheist rally in 2002.” If Mehta is impressed by his crowd size and its growth after more than a decade, he should stop by my church sometime. We have about 23,000 that attend every Sunday and that number continues to grow in multiple campuses. And ours is just one church, in one city, in one state.

Further our congregation has, on occasion taken special offerings for hurricane victims and other national tragedies that have exceeded, in a single offering, the amount his humanist organization has raised in total. I don’t relay this statistic to boast, but rather to demonstrate again that the benevolence argument employed by Mehta as to why millennials should choose atheism simply carries little weight and is not one he should use anywhere outside his atheist internet forums.

In Part 2 of this post, I’ll look at a couple more claims Mehta makes, including a few that I believe to be more on target.


[1] I help write for gotquestions and receive their monthly update. In July of 2013, over 12,000 people indicated on the site that they became Christians just by having their questions answered! This is not atypical; it is normal for 10,000+ people a month to indicate that they have received Christ through the gotquestions website.

[2] For a visual presentation on the arguments, see: http://www.slideshare.net/schumacr/origins-why-something-is-here.

[3] For a visual treatment of how information (not data) is present in life, see: http://www.slideshare.net/schumacr/origins-evolution-and-information.

[4] See: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-teleological-argument-and-the-anthropic-principle for a good overview.

[5] See John Lennox’s excellent work God’s Undertaker – Has Science Buried God? for more information.

[6] For a good treatment of the subject, see Chapter 4 of Alvin Schmidt’s How Christianity Changed the World.

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Comments

  1. Michael says

    September 28, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Mr. Mehta’s endorsement of the contention that the Christian church is “anti-gay, anti-women, anti-science, anti-sex-education, and anti-doubt” = is such an off-beam statement really worth bothering about? I think I am getting a little tired of this old rhetoric that is without foundation, and is getting pumped out by atheists at a rate of knots again. Why this sudden upsurge in their well trodden meaningless stuff?

  2. Joe Bruce says

    August 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Yes it is easy to find fault, much harder to propose something better. I see he is trying to paint atheists as benevolent. Didn’t work out too well in communism though, our only real-world example so far of an officially atheistic state. Hemant was on a UK Christian radio show in a sort of debate with Leah Libresco, who is a convert from atheism to Christianity. She spoke of the moral arguments which were the catalyst for her conversion and asked Hemant what his moral values were and where did they come from. He mentioned “equality” but kind of slithered away from the topic before really answering where this societal value came from. I would propose our ideals about equality and individual liberties come out of Christianity, but that was not said in the debate I just wish it would have been discussed. If you are interested in hearing this informal debate discussion (which took place about a year ago, in July 2012) it is on the radio show’s website, you just have to scroll down and look for that past show:
    http://www.premierradio.org.uk/shows/saturday/unbelievable.aspx

    • tildeb says

      August 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      Love the word ‘slithered’ although I’m sure you meant it in the nicest and most respectful of ways. But I’ve been wrong before.

      As for the very bad argument about communism and atheism, why not attribute it to mustaches? It makes as much sense.

      As for the moral argument that attributes our sense of it to some divine and nebulous agency who uses some kind of POOF!ism to install it into us and other species, don’t bother to look to biology; it can’t possibly come from there by religious fiat that just so happens to favour your religious brand. Not a coincidence when we know that no one before christianity came along in the recent past exercised moral judgements about equality and individual liberties, which is why history just so happens to favour your explanation. These Enlightenment values were obviously informed and supported by today’s christianity, of course. That’s why the various sects of christianity stopped practicing support for legal discrimination moments before the Enlightenment arrived on the scene and its adherents stopped discriminating on the basis of gender and sexual preference and race and… oh, wait a moment…

      It’s a drag when reality keeps interfering with my support of your position. If not for that, I’m sure you;d be exactly right in your beliefs.

      • Joe Bruce says

        August 5, 2013 at 2:01 am

        Well, maybe you’re right and atheism had nothing to do with the mass killings under communism. I just thought a system of belief where there is no higher power to punish you for killing might tend to dull the conscience. Don’t you think that’s at least a plausible hypothesis? Also, doesn’t Planned Parenthood, the abortion giant, have atheism as their official belief system, although they call it secular humanism. I’m still looking for a good example of what atheism brings to the societal table. Have you ever heard one?

        • tildeb says

          August 5, 2013 at 2:36 pm

          Take a moment and think; does it make sense for non belief to be another kind of belief… like a non bicycle to be another kind of bicycle? I sometimes wonder why the mind seems to shut down entirely when rolling out another discredited trope to try to bash and vilify and attack atheists who rely on reality to arbitrate reasoning about it. So, no, I don’t think you’re presenting a reasonable hypothesis when reality accessible to both of us shows us that pious and non pious are quite capable of mass murder. The holocaust perpetrators were chalk full of good christians as were many of those involved with the Soviet gulags.

          As for your drive-by smear of trying to link Planned Parenthood to ‘belief’ in atheism, try instead of looking to people who work hard and risk much to help others. In these ranks you will also find both the pious and non pious, those who believe in god and those who do not. You also might want to spend more than a moment before dismissing the notion that the motivation to help others for the sake of being helpful is not advanced but diminished by harboring the unspoken need for brownie points with an after-death judge.

          And yes, there are many secular organization that are ‘good’ examples of offering help for the sake of offering help. Local hospices and palliative care here in Canada are almost always purely secular and related to local health units and government for funding. But as far as international organizations go, certainly Doctors Without Borders pops into my mind even if it avoids popping into yours. Like Planned Parenthood – many organizations try to offer medical services where local governments do not suffice. What’s bizarre to me is assuming that one requires belief in a god to earnestly desire to aid others. The local emergency response teams and medical personnel are filled with ‘secular humanists’ doing the very work you presume belongs only to those motivated by some belief in some god. What the two have to do with each other exists only in your head and not in reality.

          And if you really want to reduce abortion rates and improve health care for pregnant women, then there is compelling evidence that good public sex education, the widespread availability of contraception, and free access to all local gynecological medicine will do wonders at achieving this goal. But what won’t work is promoting sexual ignorance, abusing secular law to impose legal control of women’s wombs, reducing or eliminating access to contraception, and making abortion services either illegal or very difficult and expensive to obtain. That’s a recipe for disaster and – lo and behold – when we turn to reality we find exactly this in practice: the very lowest rates of abortion are found in the moist highly educated population that has free access to healthcare. Whoda thunk?

          • Malcolm Tan says

            August 26, 2013 at 6:20 am

            “does it make sense for non belief to be another kind of belief”
            Yes, it does. Atheism may not believe in the divine (or a religion or anything supernatural) but it has certain philosophical assumptions and worldviews that it holds just as dogmatically.
            “The holocaust perpetrators were chalk full of good christians as were many of those involved with the Soviet gulags”
            Please substantiate this. There are many assumptions in this statement. I teach 20th century modern world history at high school. That does not make me infallible but that means I know something about this.Who do you consider as the perpetrators? Who amongst these qualifies as “good Christian”? And by “Christians”, do you mean, nominally born into the religion like in the West or practising it? Yes, sadly many who called themselves Christians in Germany voted for Hitler and did nothing to stop the “rise of evil”. Many Catholic and Protestants were more concerned with self-preservation or still held some prejudice against the Jews, but to say that there are many “good Christians perpetrators” of these atrocities is untrue. That is revisionism. As for communism in USSR having “good Christian perpetrators, that is even more incredible. Nazi Germany, despite Hitler not believing in orthodox christian beliefs, was still reluctant to declare itself atheist but communist USSR, was not just only officially atheistic but anti-theistic. And it is not by chance that atrocities were committed in almost all communist countries around the world which share this trait – Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Camobodia, Honecker’s East Germany, just to name a few. There is something systemic in communism that makes its leaders commit atrocities.
            Read the lyrics of “The Internationale”, the global communist anthem and one will sense its ideology and philosophical beliefs and assumptions. It declares “no gods nor saviours”, followed by the need to therefore use whatever means, including violence, to achieve liberation of the oppressed proliteriat. Since God does not exist, the song exhorts communists/socialists to be free to do whatever seems fit to them to achieve their own salvation and utopia.
            Moreover, the communists, like Hitler, also subscribed to social darwinism which is based on an atheistic and materialistic viewpoint. For the communists, “survival of the fittest” meant that class struggles and violence are natural and necessary to achieve their version of utopia. For Hitler, this justifies eugenics theories of superior race and ethnic cleansing of “inferior races”. One can argue that Hitler and the communists abuse darwinism to justify their means of achieving power. Perhaps. One can also argue that religionists abuse God and religion to achieve power. That would be fair.
            Atheism has better arguments to make in support of it, than to make absurd denials, generalisations, assumptions, heap insults and display lack of fairness and balance in their debates with their opponents. These do not reflect well on the stand that one argues for as it displays lack of security and merely “gives ammunition” to theists to criticise the implication of atheism.

          • tildeb says

            November 17, 2013 at 10:39 am

            Malcolm, I am truly sorry I missed this comment of yours months ago because it desperately needs an informed response.

            If you are truly a history teacher, then you are doing your students a huge disservice promoting this tremendously biased viewpoint filled with apologetic religious canards that are at best factually wrong.

            If you go to the towns as I have where these concentration camps operated (I went in the 60s), you’ll find the many of the very people who staffed these operations were by all local accounts fine upstanding christian citizens (in Germany) doing what they thought was their patriotic duty. Outside of Germany, you’ll find many of these camps were operated not just by sympathetic allies but also by imported Austrian, Hungarian, and German soldiers and paramilitary also considered fine upstanding christians. Assuming as you do that these fine folk were all outside of their card-carrying religious identities is factually wrong. Insisting that that they weren’t good christians of the day isn’t teaching history; it’s revising it.

            The same community standards to which the religious were a central pillar is true for those who operated the gulags in the sense that the local staff was drawn from the local population, many of whom maintained their religious identity even if they didn’t advertise it. Stalin himself, as I’m sure you’re quite aware, was trained as a orthodox priest. To attach atheism to these totalitarian regimes as if causal is more than a gross distortion; it’s simply a lie. These states were all about centralized power and anyone, any group, any threat to that power was considered an enemy of the state and dealt with accordingly. This included all kinds of people including theists as well as non theists You may as well teach that these states were caused by the facial hair of the men who collected this power so poor is your historical understanding of how these regimes came to be. It’s absurd.

            If you read Marx, you’ll find the reference to religion as the opiate of the people to be a response to terrible living conditions and a general hopelessness of improving anything, which makes the hope religion provides about a next life necessary; alter these conditions, these power imbalances, so Marx argued, alter the need for such an opiate. In this Marxist sense, religious belief is seen to be an indication of misery and hopelessness and powerlessness but, like politicians everywhere, leaders of communist ideals who wanted to harness this mass of people to their cause and imported Marxist theory as a tool to do so mistook the symptom for the disease and so legislated – like South Carolina’s ridiculous state legislature outlawing sea level rise – against its expression thinking they were eliminating at one fell swoop the cause of misery. They were wrong.

            This is good history – a way to understand today by reflecting on how the past shaped it. Teaching students that atheism caused 20th century totalitarian does not do this but its opposite; it indoctrinates to meet a religious objective rather than reveal the lessons we can learn from such gross historical tragedies. And we can test this difference by looking at any totalitarian system and seeing if the centralization of power crosses the atheist/theist divide: one look at Germany or Iran, for example, shows exactly this cross-over. Now compare and contrast the Revolutionary Council of Iran with, say, Lenin’s Worker’s Council and try to find where atheism drives one but not the other. You will fail to find any historical causal factor at work you now call atheism. It’s all about political power.

            You are remarkably undisciplined for anyone claiming to be a history teacher substituting Huxley’s social darwinism with Darwinism. That descent from common ancestry is a fact that undermines religious belief in some kind of divine POOF!ism is a problem for such theists to somehow find a middle ground between what’s true and what’s not. As a teacher, you should understand the importance of respecting what what we know, how we know, and why we inform with confidence explanations arbitrated not by some religious agenda set to indoctrinate but an independent reality based on what works. Your version of history designed to try to vilify atheists on the one hand while praising religious adherence on the other doesn’t work to explain conditions today.

            And much of this trouble comes from the kind of skewed thinking that comes from serving not what’s true and knowable but religious piety in all its various forms: to categorize non belief – a significant threat to maintaining the privilege religion now plays in the public domain – as having “certain philosophical assumptions and worldviews that it holds just as dogmatically” (as belief in the divine and supernatural). Atheism is not a ‘worldview’; it simply means non belief in gods or a god. And you exercise the same atheism I do for exactly the same reasons I do: you have no compelling reasons to believe in all kinds of divine critters and supernatural agencies. All the rest of this castigating of atheists for these ‘historical’ crimes is just so much crap and fluff. Apply it to yourself regarding your non belief in pixies or Wotan and you’ll begin to appreciate just how warped your sense of history is to blame your non belief – or mine – as the causal agent for genocides and all kinds of political nastiness in action.

          • Malcolm Tan says

            December 26, 2013 at 11:21 am

            If you bothered to read carefully the last few
            paragraphs in my previous post, I did acknowledge that atheism has good
            arguments in favour of it, even though Im not ultimately persuaded. I just felt
            that some atheists too often unfairly insist on a necessary link between
            religious faith and the evil deeds of religious believers, when in fairness, it
            is also plausible or even possible to argue that there is some connection between
            atheism and the evil deeds of the communist regimes. I also acknowledged that perhaps
            Hitler and the communists ABUSED Social Darwinism. I did not even assert that
            Darwinism or evolution is wrong. So why get so hostile as to make personal
            attacks and ridicules? I thought only dogmatic religious fundamentalists are
            capable of that? In the academic field, no theory or hypothesis is sacrosanct. However,
            I noticed that in an earlier post, you had written that “pious and non-pious are quite capable of mass
            murder.” I AGREE with this fair conclusion. You said in the last post that “its
            all about political power” that the communist dictators did their evil deeds. I
            would like to argue that the same can also be argued for a majority of the so-called
            “religious wars” or “religious atrocities”. Actually, it is not even literally
            true that most of them were started “in the name of God”, even when religious
            factors were undoubtedly present – what I mean is that those words need not actually
            be uttered by those culpable. Causes of wars and atrocities, religious or
            secular, are often more complex and multi-causal, which need some “peeling off”
            the surface.

            A lethal mix of hostility, hatred and
            intolerance towards those whom you disagree with, combined with the taking over
            of absolute power, are the factors that often cause wars and atrocities throughout
            history – not ideology, religion, philosophy or atheism per se. And this can characterize
            atheists or religious believers alike. It all starts with ridiculing, condemning,
            making unfair stereotypes and personal attacks on opponents. Then when power is
            won and consolidated, force re-education and propaganda on them. When this
            fails, outright persecution on them comes in. Familiar? This is the modus
            operandi of both atheist communist regimes and religious governments through
            the centuries – Im being fair here.

            Maybe your hostile response was also because
            you did not like my calling your historical assertions a “revisionist” one. The
            term “revisionism” in history means either a legitimate historical
            interpretation which is different from traditional or conventional
            interpretation or an illegitimate outright denial, distortion and wilful
            suppression of facts. Until recently, few will seriously assert that Hitler or
            Stalin were Christians. Thus, those who now attempt to argue so, like you, are
            by default “revisionists” by academic definition.

            Secularism in the academic field is necessarily
            and rightfully, non-religious but NOT anti-religious. You accuse me of trying
            to advance religious agenda into my teaching and interpretation of history. You
            also seem to be trying to advance an agenda of discrediting Christianity in
            line with your atheist and materialist worldview – in the field of humanities,
            nobody is free from worldview, as everyone interprets facts of this world, from
            the angle or perspective that we see, like as if through the lens of a
            spectacle, often in accordance with the position or stand that we take and/or
            our philosophy or assumptions about life. In discussions regarding the
            metaphysical world, classical “freethinkers” or “agnostics” rather than staunch
            atheists, are the most objective and neutral, as although they do not adhere to
            any religious belief, they do not also claim to have certainty regarding the
            existence and absence of god or the validity of any religion or atheism. Thus,
            they are more “open” to accepting and acknowledging good arguments and valid evidences
            from those who have a more definite metaphysical stand/position – staunch atheists
            and religious believers.

            I had my history graduate and masters education
            in a secular university under mostly atheist or agnostic professors who
            exemplified rationality, fair-mindedness and objectivity (as best as they can).
            In true secular spirit, they never tried to advance their metaphysical historical
            interpretations during lessons. Their fair-mindedness is such that they are
            usually respectful towards those whom they disagree with and gave credit where
            it is due. Contrary to what you accuse me of, I have followed their example of
            neutrality and never taught apologetics in lesson presentation. One of them, Dr
            Daniel Crosswell, currently lecturer in Columbus State University, is a staunch
            atheist who used to hang a list of quotes ridiculing Christianity on his office
            door. Yet in his lecture on Early Modern Europe, he was fair enough to
            acknowledge that the religious wars of the 16th and 17th
            century were nationalistic, political as well as religious in nature. He also
            acknowledged that many of the scientists responsible for the 17th
            century Scientific Revolution were either Christians or Deists and that their impetus
            to do so was due to their belief that there had to be an orderly cosmos with
            natural laws governing it, since God was creator and law giver. His moderate atheism
            is such a contrast with the increasingly radical (even militant), intolerant
            strain of atheism (as advocated by the “four horsemen” apostles of “New Atheism”)
            that arrogantly seeks to insult, ridicule and attack those whom they disagree
            with but hardly try to understand or acknowledge the valid points of their
            opponents. Sadly, some Christians can also be like that too. Adopting this hostile
            and bigoted approach takes away the credibility of one’s argument.

            A fair and objective proposition, which most
            people would agree, is that the militant or intolerant strain of ideology, religion
            or atheism, when combined with absolute power, can lead to much violence in the
            world. We know that atheists and religious believers are both capable of doing
            acts of kindness and acts of violence. Objective historians do not accept the
            simplistic view that conflict or violence is the result of one cause/factor. Since
            there need not necessarily be anything inherently in their beliefs or lack of
            beliefs to make them do so, it seems rather futile to pursue your assertion
            that “the holocaust perpetrators
            were chalk full of good Christians as were many of those involved with the
            Soviet gulags.”.
            However, for the sake of historical discussion, I will attempt to deal with this.

          • Guest says

            December 26, 2013 at 11:22 am

            Before we do that, we have to first, look at
            historiography. In dealing with sources, historians do not take what a person say
            at face value. They commonly use three tests to help them analyse a source –
            credibility, consistency and corroboration. Credibility test means asking if the
            historical context or background of the originator of the source could have
            influenced him/her to write or say something. Consistency test means asking if
            the speech and actions of the originator of the source contradicts itself.
            Corroboration test means comparing what the originator of the source writes or
            says with other sources of information by others. Finally, historical
            conclusions are always provisional and can be overturned with new facts or new
            interpretations.

            As to your hypothesis that “the holocaust perpetrators were chalk full of
            good christians as were many of those involved with the Soviet gulags.”
            Regardless of the ultimate validity of this hypothesis, it is too sweeping and
            too subjective to be a good, viable working hypothesis. Many subjective definitions
            are needed to make the proposition work. All these terms need definition and
            qualification, as not everyone agrees on what they mean – “holocaust perpetrators”,
            “chalk full of”, “good christians” and “as were many of those involved with the
            Soviet gulags”. These are not just over semantics. These are the questions my
            professors will raise with a hypothesis like that. Define these terms differently
            and you will get a different conclusion. Who should be considered as the
            holocaust perpetrators? The Nazi Party leaders or the ordinary soldiers and
            policemen who did the “dirty work”? What about those who served in the backline
            by driving the trucks or trains which transported the Jews? These are just some
            of the complexities regarding culpability. The Allied War Crimes Tribunal which
            tried the Nazis for war crimes at Nuremburg proceeded according to the
            principle of “command responsibility”, meaning that the senior Nazi leaders
            were much more culpable than those below who had to carry out orders and worked
            under group conformist pressure. The same principles were used at the Tokyo and
            Singapore trials regarding Japanese atrocities in the Far East. Similarly, historian
            Christopher Browning in his 1992 well-researched book “Ordinary Men: Reserve
            Police Unit 101” asserted that these “ordinary men” by profile, “killed out of
            a basic obedience to authority and peer pressure, not out of bloodlust or
            primal hatred.” Thus, most would agree that Hitler, Stalin and their respective
            party leaders were most culpable. “Chalk full of” – how do you define and quantify
            that? How do you count the numbers? “Good Christians” – even secular sociologists
            will note the complexity of defining and accounting for “Christians”, what more
            “good Christians”. Frankly, I don’t consider myself a “good Christian”, though
            maybe you think I am. How about “good atheists” or “true atheists”? Some
            atheists I know don’t even consider agnostics, communists and Theravada
            Buddhists (I grew up as one) to be “good atheists” or even “true atheists”. They
            charge the first group with “intellectual cowardice, the second group with
            being too dogmatic with their ideology and the third for still believing in an
            unproven metaphysical system, even though their branch of Buddhism does not
            believe in gods (they see Siddhartha Gautama Buddha as only a great moral
            teacher). “As were many of those involved with the Soviet gulags” – another statement
            that needs to be conceptually broken down, defined and quantified similarly like
            your assertion on the holocaust.

            Was Stalin a Christian? Most academics,
            including atheist ones such as Richard Dawkins, suggest that he was atheist. Of
            course, that by itself is not authoritative but that says something. Yes, Stalin
            was probably raised as a Russian Orthodox by his devout mother who had hoped he
            would be a priest. He then attended seminary to be trained as a priest.
            Interestingly, he had an anti-clerical father. We do not know if he did so
            voluntarily or out of a desire to please his mother. Please note for now, that this
            does not tell us about his personal religious convictions. Some context is
            needed here, which applies to Stalin, Hitler and the European societies of their
            time. Religion was very much institutionalized in the world then, either
            through the state or the society – Christianity in Europe, Buddhism, Hinduism
            or Islam in Asia. There is also a cultural element to religion too. To be
            Russian, is to be an Orthodox Christian. For example, to be Italian, Austrian,
            Irish or Spanish, is to be Catholic. To be German, either Catholic or Lutheran.
            Much of European society was still rather conservative, outwardly religious and
            conformist then. One was expected at birth to follow Christian rites, attend
            services, pay church taxes, whether they privately believed or not. In the
            military too, church service parades were compulsory, even though many soldiers
            privately loathed the imposition of religion on them. That is why public
            profession of atheism was rare up till the early 20th century. Even
            till today, I still come across a number of people, especially from
            predominantly “Catholic nationalities”, who personally disbelieved in the Catholic
            faith but were baptized, got married in church and sent their kids for infant
            baptism as that was part of their tradition and ethnicity. Are they Catholics? Sociologists
            compiling national population statistics have always noted the problem of accurately
            accounting for religious believers in a country, as there is a difference
            between those who nominally belong to a religion and those who personally
            believed in it or actively participated in it. Im sure you know of many prominent atheists or
            agnostics who were raised as Christians but later disbelieved, even though some
            were even seminary trained – Professor Bart Ehrman of University of North
            Carolina for example. Are they Christians? I was born a Buddhist, became
            convinced of the truth of this faith at age nine and even studied Buddhist
            textbooks in teenage years. Does this mean Im Buddhist now? So to say that
            Stalin was a Christian just because he was raised as one and went to seminary
            is too naïve.

            We know
            that Stalin was later expelled from the seminary for spreading Marxist ideas to
            his mates. We know that the Marxist ideology is atheist and materialistic and
            irreconcilable and even hostile to Christianity. A clue about whether Stalin was
            still a Christian at this stage can be inferred from his daughter, Svetlana
            Alliluyeva, who wrote about her father in her book Only
            One Year (1969).

            From his experiences at the seminary,
            he had come to the conclusion that men were intolerant, coarse, deceiving their
            flocks in order to hold them in obedience; that they intrigued, lied, and as a
            rule possessed numerous faults and very few virtues.

            Doesn’t this sound so consistently like the
            Marxist brand of anti-religion rhetoric? And Stalin’s actions consistently backed
            him up as a Marxist. When in power, he subsequently persecuted Christian
            leaders and followers and closed down religious institutions. Tens of thousands
            of them were killed or thrown into the gulags. Through the Central Committee of
            the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, he also set up the League of the Militant Godless in 1925,
            whose objective, as historian Daniel Peris’
            tells us, was to promote atheism and scientific materialism worldview. This was
            to be achieved through re-education, propaganda, demonstrations and even
            anti-religious museums to convince Russians of the superstitions and evils of
            religion. Professing Christians were publicly and openly ridiculed. Some of
            those holding governmental and professional positions also lost their posts. If
            Stalin is a Christian, does it make sense for him to not just persecute
            Christianity but also aggressively promote atheism? Would you as an atheist,
            ever persecute atheists and promote religious beliefs, if you ever come to
            power? Unthinkable, right?

            Yes, Im aware that some claimed that
            Stalin still held a bible in his library and may have even read it at times. I
            believe this is possible. But this does not mean he believed in Christianity.
            The Bible was so entrenched in Western civilisations that many read it as a
            piece of literature only, without believing its supposed divine origins. Even militant
            atheists possess and at times read from the bible, so that they can use it to
            ridicule and attack Christianity! We only seem to see a shift in Stalin’s
            persecution of religion from June 1941 onwards, as his biographers unanimously noted.
            He began to relax the persecution, allowed churches to reopen and even allowed
            the Moscow Patriarchate, the governing body of the Russian Orthodox Church to
            be set up in 1943. He did on a few occasions ask for public prayers for the
            victory of the USSR. But even here, we see inconsistencies, such as the continuation
            of both state atheist propaganda and state religious persecution. So what are
            we to make of this? Like all shrewd dictators, Stalin saw how religion could
            boost morale. The timing of his religious tolerance from June 1941 onwards
            coincided with the German invasion. We know that the Germans allowed the reopening
            of churches in conquered territories to bolster support amongst Soviets (many
            of whom were also not ethnically Russians) against the communist regime. Stalin’s
            relaxation of persecution was thus an attempt to counter the German move and
            rally all Soviets together against the common enemy. Thus, we can see that
            there is nothing to indicate that Stalin is a Christian for most of his adult
            life. In fact, his actions showed consistently that he could not have been one.
            Furthermore, there is no evidence nor any suggestion thus far that any of
            Stalin’s key communist party officials held Christian convictions. Thus, the main
            perpetrators of Stalin’s atrocities were not definitely not Christians.

            However, I grant that he may possibly not
            have been a consistent atheist, maybe an agnostic or deist. Historians Vladislav Zubok and Constantine Pleshakov suggested
            that “Stalin’s atheism remained rooted in some vague idea of a God of
            nature”. This may not be surprising considering that many World War II Far East
            Allied Prisoners of War shared that while they were previously in peacetime
            indifferent or even hostile to Christianity, they were “open” to it briefly
            during the imprisonment years as it seems to offer hope. Many then went back to
            being atheist or agnostic again after liberation. Psychologists agree that hardships
            and uncertainties do cause many people to re-examine their worldviews, at least
            while the hardship and uncertainty last.

          • Malcolm Tan says

            December 26, 2013 at 11:24 am

            What about
            Hitler? Was he a Christian? He was brought up as a Catholic again by a devout
            mother and an anti-clerical father. He was baptised and confirmed when young and
            did not subsequently renounce his faith officially. However, he did not attend
            church regularly nor partake of the communion for most of his adult life. Like
            the discussion on Stalin above, I have already pointed out the difficulty of
            discerning individual beliefs in an age where public profession of atheism is rare.
            Societal and community norms are still very important in that era. To be
            Austrian, is to be Catholic. Whether he officially renounced his faith or not,
            does not help us to understand his private beliefs as I pointed above. One may
            argue, then what about his reference to restoring Christianity in his book, “Mein
            Kampf.” What about his claim in it that he wanted to “fight for the Lord” and
            take revenge on the Jews who killed Jesus? What about his many speeches to the
            German people that he supported Christianity? What about the “God with Us”
            inscription on German military belts. What about having chaplains in the German
            military? What about his claim that “the Reichstag Fire is a signal from God
            that the communists are the enemies of the country”? What about his concordat
            with the Catholic Church? What about Cardinal Faulhaber’s impression that
            Hitler was a Christian after having met up with him?

            Im aware that
            that based on these points above and others, some will argue that Hitler was a Christian.
            As good historians, when analysing shrewd and opportunistic political figures
            such as Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin, we have to be careful not to take their
            words or even actions at face value, especially as they all saw the value of
            religion as morale booster and unifier. We have to critically examine the
            historical context. Please note that Hitler also said on several occasions to
            the German people and also to British politicians, that he was for peace and he
            only wanted to restore the rightful territories that the Germans lost after
            World War I. He even claimed publicly that he was not interested in bringing
            non-Germans into the Reich. He then even signed an agreement with Chamberlain
            in 1938 at Munich, promising “never to go to war with one another [Britain] again”
            after he had annexed Sudetenland. Yet privately, he told his Nazi Party “inner
            circle” leaders that the agreement was “just a piece of paper” and he did not
            intend to abide by it. His true intentions were only revealed when he broke all
            his public promises and invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland which led to the war.

            So we have to
            discern between the public statements and writings of Hitler’s and the private
            views to his close associates. Politicians, including US presidents, say
            different things to different people all the time to suit their political
            purposes. Why would Hitler want to make public his supposed sympathies with Christianity?
            After leaving prison in 1924, Hitler realised that winning elections was the
            only way to win power. His irreconcilable opponents were mainly those on the ‘left’
            – communists and the socialists. His brand of National Socialism was largely ‘right
            wing’ in orientation, advocating a restoration of authoritarian rule and
            traditional German values and nationalism. His likely supporters would have to
            come from the conservative elements of Germany, including the military, the Junker
            land-owning class and institutional Christianity – Catholicism and Lutheranism.
            To slowly win power as chancellor and then consolidate absolute power, he had
            to make deals with ‘right wing’ parties such as the German National Party and
            the influential Catholic Centre Party. Thus, for him to say that he supported
            Christianity and portrayed himself as some sort of a Christian, made perfect
            sense. How else could one, who was hostile to Christianity or who was an
            atheist at that time, hope to win support from the middle and right wing
            Germans? To the middle and right wing Germans then – Christianity was a
            traditional German way of life they wished to maintain – never mind if some
            amongst them did not privately believe in Christian doctrines.

            The most reliable
            sources to discern Hitler’s true views of Christianity would be the private
            conversations of those top Nazi Party leaders who were close to Hitler. The
            memoirs of Albert Speer, the diaries of Josef Goebbels and the “Table Talk”
            compiled by Martin Borman, recorded these. Hitler had no reasons not to be
            truthful with them, given that he needed them to understand his vision so as to
            effectively carry out Nazi policies. In these, Hitler is recorded as saying
            that Christianity is a religion “fit for slaves”. Speer wrote that, “Amid his political associates in
            Berlin, Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church…he conceived of
            the church as an instrument that could be useful to him”. Speer recorded
            Hitler as saying, “You see it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong
            religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the
            Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the
            highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible
            to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness
            and flabbiness?” Goebbels wrote on 8 April 1941 that “He hates
            Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity.” He
            also wrote on 29 April 1941 that though Hitler was “a fierce opponent of
            all that “humbug” [Vatican and Christianity], he forbids me to leave the church
            for tactical reasons.” Borman wrote that, “there was hardly anything
            Hitler wrote down more eagerly than deprecating comments on the church.” Borman
            further asserted that Hitler regarded the teachings of Christianity as a “rebellion
            against the natural law of selection by struggle and survival of the fittest.” These
            are just some of the many quotes and incidences related which can allow us to
            infer that Hitler has nothing but contempt for Christianity and thus cannot be
            a Christian. In fact William Shirer, the expert historian on the Third Reich,
            who gave witness in the trials involving “the Holocaust denials”, Hitler
            biographers Ian Kershaw and Allan Bullock amongst others, came to the
            conclusion from these primary sources that Hitler eventually intended to do
            away with Christianity without replacement or replace it with a form of
            paganised or Aryanised religion.

            In action, the Nazi Party also tried to control what was taught in the
            state approved Reich Churches which promoted an “Aryanisation of Christianity”
            by removing the Jewish elements of it, such as Old Testament, and blaming Jews
            for Jesus’ death. These are explicitly against Jesus’ teachings in the gospels.
            After all, Jesus and all the disciples were Jews! Christian leaders who did not
            want to conform to such controls, like Protestant Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer,
            who told his congregation, “We must obey God rather than Man [Hitler]”, were
            persecuted and thrown into prison camps. Thus, Hitler’s tolerance of churches
            was conditional upon obedience. He merely wanted to use the churches for
            political purposes but would act against them when they refused to be
            controlled to teach the Nazi version of Christianity. Hitler’s concordat with
            the Pope was also to achieve submission from Catholics throughout the Reich. Many
            key Nazi leaders including Hitler’s deputy Martin Bormann and Minister of
            Propaganda, Josef Goebbels, Security Chief, Heinrich Himmler and Nazi Commissar
            for Supervision of Ideology and Intellectual Education, Alfred Rosenberg (who
            promoted neo-paganism), were well-known anti-Christians who desired to
            eliminate Christianity from German society. Most would argue that, next to
            Hitler, they were the most culpable for the holocaust. So the main perpetrators
            of the holocaust were definitely not Christians.

            Discerning whether Hitler was an atheist or not, is more problematic.
            Kershaw asserted that Hitler was a private person rarely expressing his views
            beyond his inner circles. He did make many references to a kind of god or
            higher being, which is not the same as the God of Christianity. He also did not
            object to the promotion of neo-paganism in Germany. I grant that he might
            indeed be a deist or agnostic of some sort rather than an atheist. But we can
            never know for sure.

          • Guest says

            December 26, 2013 at 11:25 am

            What about the ordinary “lesser” perpetrators of Stalin’s crimes? How many
            Russians still privately hold on to Christian beliefs despite persecution and
            institutional atheism under Stalin is something that even the Soviet communist
            party could not be sure of. The communist party suggested an uncertain figure
            of 50% Christians in the whole of USSR in 1937, after two decades of
            persecution. Doesn’t it make more sense to suggest that most Soviet prison
            guards in gulags would be atheists, with some, I agree, perhaps still privately
            religious? After all, atheists would be more trusted by the communists than
            Christians as prison camp guards, especially when many of those prisoners were also
            Christians. Since you don’t have any concrete statistic or data about these
            prison guards, my suggestion is at least as good as yours.

            What about the ordinary “lesser” perpetrators of Hitler’s crimes? Dr
            Browning, whom I mentioned above, had to scour for a variety of primary sources
            – official documents, records, personal diaries and interviews with many of the
            policemen of Battalion 101 who did the killings, in order to come up with a reliable
            profile of these men. He suggested that most of them were “ordinary” Germans,
            which I take to mean, at least nominally and outwardly Christians, given the
            cultural and societal norms then. Thus, your anecdotes have a kernel of truth
            in that. However, personal piety and belief are harder to qualify, as I pointed
            out above, not that it would necessarily have made a difference.

            As Chinese by ethnicity and having lived in Asia, I have also come across a
            number of Chinese victims of Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution of the 1960s,
            including my very own professor of Chinese history. In this revolution, millions
            of people, religious or atheists, were persecuted and thousands died in prisons
            or in the hands of the Chinese communist hardliners. The victims often spoke of
            the anti-religious zeal of the fanatically atheist “Red Guards” students who
            wanted to root out superstitions, traditions and religions to achieve progress
            under Maoist communism. So should I now make political capital that “many of
            the perpetrators of Mao’s atrocities are atheists?” I think you will rightly object
            to that. At most, our anecdotes only show that religious believers and atheists
            are both capable of doing horrible acts to others, when they become intolerant
            to the point of militancy, which is my stand in this post.

            I do not wish to waste any more time arguing this out anymore. I believe objective
            readers can see that while I obviously can’t claim to be impartial in this, I
            have at least bothered to marshal my facts and try arguing rationally with
            these, acknowledging your points where they are valid, instead of stooping so
            low as to make personal attacks, condemnations, insults and shallow rhetorics
            against those whom I disagree with.

          • Guest says

            December 29, 2013 at 6:27 am

            I would like to supplement
            my last post on the “lesser perpetrators” of the Holocaust and the Gulags with
            the following which I had left out:

            In the Soviet Gulags,
            NKVD personnel served as camp guards. The NKVD was a law enforcement unit of
            the Soviet communist party and was highly indoctrinated in Soviet communist
            ideology to ensure their political reliability. Under such propaganda,
            re-education and possible scrutiny, it is reasonable to suggest that the bulk
            of the NKVD members would have become atheists, even if they were not
            originally so. It would be hard, though not impossible, for any individual NKVD
            member to be still holding on to his covet Christian faith. This is especially
            so when we know that Christians were barred from leadership posts in the USSR. Since
            the NKVD was also responsible for carrying out state religious persecutions, it
            would seem even more difficult for overt Christians to be trusted to carry this
            (and the guarding of Christian prisoners in the gulags) out dutifully. As such,
            it is safe to suggest that most of the NKVD members were not Christians. Thus,
            the camp guards in the gulags could not have been “chalk full of” Christians.

            In the Holocaust, the
            camp guards who ran the extermination camps and concentration camps were manned
            by personnel from the SS or Schutzstaffel, controlled by Heinrich Himmler,
            while police units (such as the Reserve Police Unit 101 which I highlighted
            above) and auxiliary units were responsible for secondary extermination
            operations against the Jews and others. The SS were mainly responsible for
            carrying out most of the execution of Jews and others. You cited anecdotes of
            your having spoken to people who knew these camp guards as “good Christians”. Except
            for the problem of defining “good Christians”, I do not deny that Christians were
            present as SS camp guards and were involved in the killings. What I dispute is
            your use of “chalk full of” to quantify their presence as SS camp guards. The
            following facts suggest that there were lesser Christians in the SS than the average
            German army and police unit. Although the anti-Christian SS Chief, Heinrich
            Himmler, largely failed to promote Nordic Aryan neo-pagan rites in the SS, he
            did successfully encourage many SS members to leave their church affiliation to
            declare belief in some vague Nazi concept of god, similar to Deism, out of
            loyalty to the Nazi Party as an organisation. According to Professor Browder, who
            wrote a book, “Hitler’s Enforcers: Gestapo and the SS Security Service in the
            Nazi Revolution”, 68% of SS
            officers officially left church after 1933, while 16% of rank and file members officially
            left church by 1937. Figures after that were not given but were probably higher
            given the start of the “church struggle” from 1937 onwards, when the Nazi Party
            began to persecute and imprison more non-conforming Catholic and Protestant
            clergy. There
            were also reported incidences of individual SS officers ridiculing their men
            for their Christian faith. Even
            US Professor Richard Steigmann-Gall, considered
            a revisionist historian on religion and Nazi Germany, also agreed that given
            the context of Germany then, nominal church membership itself is not an
            accurate indicator of personal belief and piety unless there is a sudden drop
            or increase in membership which would probably reveal a downward or upward
            trend in personal religious belief respectively. In this case, there was
            a dramatic drop in church membership in the SS at that time, which we can
            safely conclude to be indicative of a similar drop in the even smaller unknown numbers
            of the personally pious as well. Wolfgang Dierker also stated that Himmler abolished Christian
            chaplains in the SS in 1934. This would have made it difficult for existing Christian
            members of the SS to receive guidance in the Christian faith. When taken
            together, it is reasonable to argue that the number of Christians in the SS, whether
            nominal or personal believers, was much lower than the national average found in
            the army and the police. Thus, it is questionable to conclude that the SS camp
            guards were “chalk full of” Christians.

          • Malcolm Tan says

            December 29, 2013 at 6:33 am

            What about the ordinary “lesser” perpetrators
            of Stalin’s crimes? How many Russians still privately held on to Christian
            beliefs despite persecution and institutional atheism under Stalin was
            something that even the Soviet communist party could not be sure of. The
            communist party suggested an uncertain figure of 50% Christians in the whole of
            USSR in 1937, after two decades of persecution. In the Soviet Gulags, NKVD
            personnel served as camp guards. The NKVD was a law enforcement unit of the
            Soviet communist party and was highly indoctrinated in Soviet communist
            ideology to ensure their political reliability. Under such propaganda,
            re-education and possible scrutiny, it is reasonable to suggest that the bulk
            of the NKVD members would have become atheists, even if they were not
            originally so. It would be hard, though not impossible, for any individual NKVD
            member to be still holding on to his covet Christian faith. This is especially
            so when we know that Christians were barred from leadership posts in the USSR. Since
            the NKVD was also responsible for carrying out state religious persecutions, it
            would seem even more difficult for overt Christians to be trusted to carry this
            (and the guarding of Christian prisoners in the gulags) out dutifully. As such,
            it is safe to suggest that most of the NKVD members were not Christians. Thus,
            the camp guards in the gulags could not have been “chalk full of” Christians.

            What about the ordinary “lesser”
            perpetrators of Hitler’s crimes? In the Holocaust, the camp guards who ran the
            extermination camps and concentration camps were manned by personnel from the SS
            or Schutzstaffel, controlled by Heinrich Himmler, while police units (such as
            the Reserve Police Unit 101 which I highlighted above) and auxiliary units were
            responsible for secondary extermination operations against the Jews and others.
            The SS were mainly responsible for carrying out most of the execution of Jews
            and others. You cited anecdotes of your having spoken to people who knew these
            camp guards as “good Christians”. Except for the problem of defining “good
            Christians”, I do not deny that Christians were present as SS camp guards and were
            involved in the killings. What I dispute is your use of “chalk full of” to
            quantify their presence as SS camp guards. The following facts suggest that
            there were lesser Christians in the SS than the average German army and police
            unit. Although the anti-Christian SS Chief, Heinrich Himmler, largely failed to
            promote Nordic Aryan neo-pagan rites in the SS, he did successfully encourage many
            SS members to leave their church affiliation to declare belief in some vague Nazi
            concept of god, similar to Deism, out of loyalty to the Nazi Party as an
            organisation. According to Professor Browder, who wrote a book, “Hitler’s
            Enforcers: Gestapo and the SS Security Service in the Nazi Revolution”, 68% of SS officers officially left church
            after 1933, while 16% of rank and file members officially left church by 1937. Figures
            after that were not given but were probably higher given the start of the “church
            struggle” from 1937 onwards, when the Nazi Party began to persecute and
            imprison more non-conforming Catholic and Protestant clergy. There were also reported
            incidences of individual SS officers ridiculing their men for their Christian
            faith. Even US Professor Richard Steigmann-Gall, considered a
            revisionist historian on religion and Nazi Germany, also agreed that given the
            context of Germany then, nominal church membership itself is not an accurate
            indicator of personal belief and piety unless there is a sudden drop or
            increase in membership which would probably reveal a downward or upward trend
            in personal religious belief respectively. In this case, there was a
            dramatic drop in church membership in the SS at that time, which we can safely conclude
            to be indicative of a similar drop in the even smaller unknown numbers of the
            personally pious as well. Wolfgang Dierker also stated that Himmler abolished Christian
            chaplains in the SS in 1934. This would have made it difficult for existing Christian
            members of the SS to receive guidance in the Christian faith. When taken
            together, it is reasonable to argue that the number of Christians in the SS, whether
            nominal or personal believers, was much lower than the national average found in
            the army and the police. Thus, it is questionable to conclude that the SS camp
            guards were “chalk full of” Christians.

            As Chinese by ethnicity and having lived in Asia, I have also come across a
            number of Chinese victims of Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution of the 1960s,
            including my very own professor of Chinese history. In this revolution, millions
            of people, religious or atheists, were persecuted and thousands died in prisons
            or in the hands of the Chinese communist hardliners. The victims often spoke of
            the anti-religious zeal of the fanatically atheist “Red Guards” students who
            wanted to root out superstitions, traditions and religions to achieve progress
            under Maoist communism. So should I now make political capital that “most of
            the perpetrators of Mao’s atrocities were atheists?” I think you will rightly object
            to that. At most, our anecdotes only show that religious believers and atheists
            are both capable of doing horrible acts to others, when they become intolerant
            to the point of militancy, which is my stand in this post.

            I do not wish to spend more time arguing this out anymore. I believe
            objective readers can see that while I obviously can’t claim to be impartial in
            this, I have at least bothered to marshal my facts and try arguing rationally with
            these, acknowledging your points where they are valid, instead of stooping so
            low as to make personal attacks, condemnations, insults and shallow rhetorics
            against those whom I disagree with.

          • Malcolm Tan says

            December 29, 2013 at 6:37 am

            Before we do that, we have to first, look at
            historiography. In dealing with sources, historians do not take what a person say
            at face value. They commonly use three tests to help them analyse a source –
            credibility, consistency and corroboration. Credibility test means asking if
            the historical context or background of the originator of the source could have
            influenced him/her to write or say something. Consistency test means asking if
            the speech and actions of the originator of the source contradicts itself.
            Corroboration test means comparing what the originator of the source writes or
            says with other sources of information by others. Finally, historical
            conclusions are always provisional and can be overturned with new facts or new
            interpretations.

            As to your hypothesis that “the holocaust perpetrators were chalk full of
            good christians as were many of those involved with the Soviet gulags.”
            Regardless of the ultimate validity of this hypothesis, it is too sweeping and
            too subjective to be a good, viable working hypothesis. Many subjective
            definitions are needed to make the proposition work. All these terms need
            definition and qualification, as not everyone agrees on what they mean –
            “holocaust perpetrators”, “chalk full of”, “good christians” and “as were many
            of those involved with the Soviet gulags”. These are not just over semantics.
            These are the questions my professors will raise with a hypothesis like that. Define
            these terms differently and you will get a different conclusion. Who should be
            considered as the holocaust perpetrators? The Nazi Party leaders or the
            ordinary soldiers and policemen who did the “dirty work”? What about those who
            served in the backline by driving the trucks or trains which transported the
            Jews? These are just some of the complexities regarding culpability. The Allied
            War Crimes Tribunal which tried the Nazis for war crimes at Nuremburg proceeded
            according to the principle of “command responsibility”, meaning that the senior
            Nazi leaders were much more culpable than those below who had to carry out
            orders and worked under group conformist pressure. The same principles were
            used at the Tokyo and Singapore trials regarding Japanese atrocities in the Far
            East. Similarly, historian Christopher Browning in his 1992 well-researched book
            “Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Unit 101” asserted that these “ordinary men” by
            profile, “killed out of a basic obedience to authority and peer pressure, not
            out of bloodlust or primal hatred.” Thus, most would agree that Hitler, Stalin
            and their respective party leaders were most culpable. “Chalk full of” – how do
            you define and quantify that? How do you count the numbers? “Good Christians” –
            even secular sociologists will note the complexity of defining and accounting for
            “Christians”, what more “good Christians”. Frankly, I don’t consider myself a
            “good Christian”, though maybe you think I am. How about “good atheists” or
            “true atheists”? Some atheists I know don’t even consider agnostics, communists
            and Theravada Buddhists (I grew up as one) to be “good atheists” or even “true
            atheists”. They charge the first group with “intellectual cowardice, the second
            group with being too dogmatic with their ideology and the third for still believing
            in an unproven metaphysical system, even though their branch of Buddhism does
            not believe in gods (they see Siddhartha Gautama Buddha as only a great moral
            teacher). “As were many of those involved with the Soviet gulags” – another
            statement that needs to be conceptually broken down, defined and quantified
            similarly like your assertion on the holocaust.

          • Malcolm Tan says

            December 29, 2013 at 6:40 am

            Was Stalin a Christian? Most academics,
            including atheist ones such as Richard Dawkins, suggest that he was atheist. Of
            course, that by itself is not authoritative but that says something. Yes, Stalin
            was probably raised as a Russian Orthodox by his devout mother who had hoped he
            would be a priest. He then attended seminary to be trained as a priest.
            Interestingly, he had an anti-clerical father. We do not know if he did so
            voluntarily or out of a desire to please his mother. Please note for now, that this
            does not tell us about his personal religious convictions. Some context is
            needed here, which applies to Stalin, Hitler and the European societies of
            their time. Religion was very much institutionalized in the world then, either
            through the state or the society – Christianity in Europe, Buddhism, Hinduism
            or Islam in Asia. There is also a cultural element to religion too. For
            example, to be Russian, is to be an Orthodox Christian. To be Italian,
            Austrian, Irish or Spanish, is to be Catholic. To be German, either Catholic or
            Lutheran. Much of European society was still rather conservative, outwardly
            religious and conformist then. One was expected at birth to follow Christian
            rites, attend services, pay church taxes, whether they privately believed or
            not. In the military too, church service parades were compulsory, even though
            many soldiers privately loathed the imposition of religion on them. That is why
            public profession of atheism was rare up till the early 20th
            century. Even till today, I still come across a number of people, especially
            from predominantly “Catholic nationalities”, who personally disbelieved in the Catholic
            faith but were baptized, got married in church and sent their kids for infant
            baptism as that was part of their tradition and ethnicity. Are they Catholics? Sociologists
            compiling national population statistics have always noted the problem of
            accurately accounting for religious believers in a country, as there is a
            difference between those who nominally belong to a religion and those who
            personally believed in it or actively participated in it. Im sure you know of many prominent atheists or
            agnostics who were raised as Christians but later disbelieved, even though some
            were even seminary trained – Professor Bart Ehrman of University of North
            Carolina for example. Are they Christians? I was born a Buddhist, became
            convinced of the truth of this faith at age nine and even studied Buddhist
            textbooks in teenage years. Does this mean Im Buddhist now? So to say that
            Stalin was a Christian just because he was raised as one and went to seminary
            is too naïve.

            We know
            that Stalin was later expelled from the seminary for spreading Marxist ideas to
            his mates. We know that the Marxist ideology is atheist and materialistic and
            irreconcilable and even hostile to Christianity. A clue about whether Stalin was
            still a Christian at this stage can be inferred from his daughter, Svetlana
            Alliluyeva, who wrote about her father in her book Only
            One Year (1969).

            From his experiences at the seminary,
            he had come to the conclusion that men were intolerant, coarse, deceiving their
            flocks in order to hold them in obedience; that they intrigued, lied, and as a
            rule possessed numerous faults and very few virtues.

            Doesn’t this sound so consistently like the
            Marxist brand of anti-religion rhetoric? And Stalin’s actions consistently backed
            him up as a Marxist. When in power, he subsequently persecuted Christian
            leaders and followers and closed down religious institutions. Tens of thousands
            of them were killed or thrown into the gulags. Through the Central Committee of
            the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, he also set up the League of the Militant Godless in 1925,
            whose objective, as historian Daniel Peris’
            tells us, was to promote atheism and scientific materialism worldview. This was
            to be achieved through re-education, propaganda, demonstrations and even
            anti-religious museums to convince Russians of the superstitions and evils of
            religion. Professing Christians were publicly and openly ridiculed. Some of
            those holding governmental and professional positions also lost their posts. If
            Stalin was a Christian, does it make sense for him to not just persecute
            Christianity but also aggressively promote atheism? Would you as an atheist,
            ever persecute atheists and promote religious beliefs, if you ever come to
            power? Unthinkable right?

            Yes, Im aware that some claimed that
            Stalin still held a bible in his library and might have even read it at times.
            I believe this is possible. But this does not mean he believed in Christianity.
            The Bible was so entrenched in Western civilisation that many read it as a
            piece of literature only, without believing its supposed divine origins. Even
            atheists possess and at times read from the bible, so that they can use it to
            ridicule and attack Christianity! We only seem to see a shift in Stalin’s
            persecution of religion from June 1941 onwards, as his biographers unanimously noted.
            He began to relax the persecution, allowed churches to reopen and even allowed
            the Moscow Patriarchate, the governing body of the Russian Orthodox Church to
            be set up in 1943. He did on a few occasions ask for public prayers for the
            victory of the USSR. But even here, we see inconsistencies, such as the continuation
            of both state atheist propaganda and state religious persecution. So what are
            we to make of this? Like all shrewd dictators, Stalin saw how religion could
            boost morale. The timing of his religious tolerance from June 1941 onwards
            coincided with the German invasion. We know that the Germans allowed the reopening
            of churches in conquered territories to bolster support amongst Soviets (many
            of whom were also not ethnically Russians) against the communist regime. Stalin’s
            relaxation of persecution was thus an attempt to counter the German move and
            rally all Soviets together against the common enemy. Thus, we can see that
            there is nothing to indicate that Stalin was a Christian for most of his adult
            life. In fact, his actions showed consistently that he could not have been one.
            Stalin’s key communist party officials were anti-Christians
            and atheists in line with their Marxist ideology. Thus, the main perpetrators
            of Stalin’s atrocities were definitely not Christians.

            However, I grant that Stalin may possibly
            not have been a consistent atheist, maybe an agnostic or deist. Historians Vladislav Zubok and Constantine Pleshakov suggested
            that “Stalin’s atheism remained rooted in some vague idea of a God of
            nature”. This may not be surprising considering that many World War II Far East
            Allied Prisoners of War shared that while they were previously in peacetime
            indifferent or even hostile to Christianity, they were “open” to it briefly
            during the imprisonment years as it seemed to offer hope. Many then went back
            to being atheist or agnostic again after liberation. Psychologists agree that hardships
            and uncertainties do cause many people to re-examine their worldviews, at least
            while the hardship and uncertainty last.

  3. tildeb says

    August 4, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I’m sure that by pretending there isn’t a theological problem in response to the overwhelming interest showed in Rachel’s article and publishing a rehash of long discredited and shallow arguments against the meteoric rise of the Nones and swelling ranks of those who admit to their atheism, your article will stem the tide. Keep up the good work.

    • Robin Schumacher says

      August 5, 2013 at 4:26 pm

      “I’ll look at a couple more claims Mehta makes, including a few that I believe to be more on target”

      Perhaps you should wait for Part 2 before criticizing?

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